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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: The Finisher Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:46 pm | |
| Name: The Finisher. Size: Twice the size of an Alatreon. Lineage: Elder Dragon. Description/Image: Unknown (but it would be like this:) - Spoiler:
Element: Light. Status Inflicted: faint, defense down. Weakness: all elements, specially elemental combination. Attacks/Tactics: - Spoiler:
- Tail smash: smashes it's tail like a Nargacuga.
- Starlight glimpse: fires a flash from the crystals around it's body like gypceros but with a much larger range and duration of the effect.
- Burning sky: elevates in the sky and absorbs light and fires multiple beams in a middle range, those are capable even to perforate rocks (the number and potency of the beams depends on the amount of light.
- Tail slam "reaper": charges at the victim and when it's at the appropriate distance, it gives a powerful horizontal tail slam hitting it's victim with the sharp (the sharpest in all it's body by the way) crystals of the end of it's tail.
- Light beam "dawn": it fires an explosive light beam from it's mouth (much more like agnaktor), the beam causes explosions when it hits anything, as agnaktor, it won't work if it hasn't got stamina, it needs a charge time of 1 post and 2 posts before using it again, causes faint.
- Light beam "heaven glimpse": it elevates in the sky and starts to shine, then it fires lots of light lasers from it's mouth the Finisher ill fly, following it's enemies while performing this attack trying to hit them with it, this attack causes defense down.
- Claw slash: slashes the enemy with its claws.
- Gaia punch: punches the ground causing a massive tremor and damage, causes faint.
- Rage wave: it fires a powerful wave when it enters rage.
- Wrath of the thousand suns: the body of the finisher starts to glow with a harmful light and then fires 100 small energy balls (football ball sized) that float slowly, but deal huge damage, this causes defense down
- Black Sun: concentrates all it's power and starts absorbing vast amounts of light, this causes the area to get dark as a moonless and starless night, then it flies at it's maximum speed away from the area, then it turns while flying and fires a small (like a baseball ball) black orb from it's mouth, this orb starts attracting all what's surrounding it in a vast area with a very powerful strength, touching the orb deals massive damage and a permanent and accumulative status of defense down, the orb lasts for 9 seconds and is activated when it hits a solid object, needs a charge time of 10 posts, if no one is hit by black sun, the vortex will turn into a special gem, an infinite gem.
- Charge: it charges at the enemy. Carve List: - Spoiler:
purelight crystal, sunlight organ, boreal scale, starlight plate, light condensator mirror horn, refraction crystal, soulcutter tail, god lit heart, once-mighty claw, light condenser organ, light absorption crystallized organ, infinite gem (only drop). RP sample: - Spoiler:
None now, The finisher is asleep and it's influence reduced to references. How the organs of the Finisher work: - Spoiler:
the light is generated on the sunlight organs and is condensed in the light condenser organ, the light can also be absorbed by the light absorption crystallized organs that are located all along it's spine, arms, legs and wings, then the light can be liberated from the purelight crystal all around it's body or it can be liberated by the mouth using the refraction crystal, this causes the light to transform in lots of lasers, or simply by the mouth (this causes the light beam "Dawn"), some light is redirected to the horns of the creature with every light attack from it's mouth, this light is condensed to such an high level that the Finisher is able to use the attack "wrath of the thousand suns" or the "black sun", those attacks are disabled if the horns break.
Last edited by Abel X on Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:09 pm; edited 9 times in total | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:45 pm | |
| So how does it create the light beams? Does it use crystals to focus the surrounding light? And if so you'll want to add some form of solid component. Since it's an Elder Dragon again I recommend using Dragon element. | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:32 am | |
| I will explain it later, when I end the rest. | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:17 am | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:55 pm | |
| Umm do to the mechaniscs of light the way you're trying to use it wouldn't work. That's why I recommended using its crystals to focus a beam then adding dragon element. Light actually has mass. If you're familiar with the Particle-Wave theory. However it is so little that it almost never moves anything on its own. That's why I recommended Dragon-Element. Or you could use the Electric element to keep it as MORE of a light beam.
Also light isn't an element... But you can use attacks enhanced with light...
Black would be absolutely impossible as matter cannot be created or destroyed...
Wrath of 1000 suns is over powered...
I don't understand heaven glimpse...
Dawn needs a weakness like a charge time or something or to be weakened down...
Umm... I can't accept that RP sample... | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:50 pm | |
| Sorry, I don't know that theory, I try to make my creations possible and with solid mechanics, but I don't have enough knowledge to make them that possible... but please, ignore this faults, after all, MH monsters have some incoherences and impossible powers like the wind barrier of a kushala daora.
I've corrected the attacks that you said, the number of energy balls fired by the wrath of the thousand suns has been divided by ten, light beam "dawn" has now a reload time of three posts and wont work when the monster is out of stamina, I've corrected heaven glimpse, I had forgotten to type some words.
Actually, Black Sun doesn't destroy matter, it only transforms it into energy (E=M*c*c), Black sun is a energy turned into unstable ultradense and ultracompact matter (it would be like a mini black hole, yes, it's impossible, but a creature so big as a lao san lung, a jhen moran or a raviente are impossible too since their organs and bones would be crushed by the enormous weight of the creature.). | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:03 pm | |
| Hmmm... Well I try and stay away from magic but I'll look over that actually...
For Burning Sky does it depend on outside light or light it's created? I'd also like a charge time that is based on the amount of light available.
I'd still like a charge time for Dawn seeing as explosions can be a pretty huge thing. Unless it is a weak explosion.
Heaven Glimpse being able to pierce the hardest of metals is also pretty broken please tone that down. Though I'm okay with defense down.
Wrath of the Thousand Suns is pretty broken being able to completely destroy a hunters suit of armor.
StillI don't like black suns ability it seems pretty broken. | |
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Tobakado G- Rank Hunter
Posts : 891 Join date : 2009-07-17 Age : 35 Location : Somewhere in the middle of nowhere
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:41 pm | |
| Hello! I got the chance to look at this. Perhaps I can help. I understand the concept of making the "Newest and strongest." of all the monsters, But this is an RP thread, an RP where hunters can take these down if they're equipment and strategy is good enough.
So cutting the BS I will say A for effort.
But the problem of approval is not so much mechanics are off and inexplainable, but rather a question of playability. For example, an approvable monster would be able to be seen putting yourself in the hunter's shoes and take it down. This monster however nicely elaborated the problem lies in the ability of being defeated. You left virtually no venerabilities. This is why approval is problematic. Does this help at all? | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:59 am | |
| Well, thanks for appreciating my effort, but I didn't wanted to make the strongest monster, because that must be the Fatalis, but I don't have any data, so I don't know were's the line or if I have crossed it.
mmm... well, this guy is vulnerable to all elements and even more when they are combined, also it doesn't have any lateral attack, except the weak claw slash, also some attacks must be weakened, I'll post again when I do this last thing. | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:58 pm | |
| Mkay... Let me now when... | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:01 pm | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:58 pm | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:19 pm | |
| Explain Burning Sky a bit more...
If Heaven Glimpse is gonna have a tracing ability then could you add a bit of a weakness... Nothing huge though since it isn't powerful.
Also Black Sun is TOO powerful... A single hit will kill anyone... That's WAY to powerful... | |
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Tobakado G- Rank Hunter
Posts : 891 Join date : 2009-07-17 Age : 35 Location : Somewhere in the middle of nowhere
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:04 am | |
| I do not see anything on heaven glimpse on tracing. Perhaps there was an edit. As of now, that seems like a realistic dragon move for a flying siege attack, maybe on a larger scale. I can see a rathalos doing something similar when it does it's Kamikaze attack.
I would Be okay if Black sun was slightly nerfed and maybe a flaw like easily interrupted for example. 25 posts is plenty of time for the entire party +/- Altereon/Fatalis assist to do SOMETHING about that. I am aware of Scripted OTK in the Games such as the Yamatsukami vacuum move but think like this...
Abel, let's say your character went up against this... How would you like it If I (Posting as the Finisher) used Black sun to INSTANTLY kill your hunter? You would have to make a new chari then. Not fun, right? I would assume your answer is yes (Using common sense after all)
Naturally, you would come up with some counterargument to support what I said above. Your reply SHOULD have the answer in itself. I do not mean to sound rude or something else of the sort; Consider it constructive criticism.
/prophetic attitude dude. | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:18 am | |
| I misread it...
The thing is in RP it's different then in a game. There are so many different options for survival that instant kill is just OP. Like with Yama even IG it can be survived with the guts skill. | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:34 pm | |
| Well, the Black sun only works for 3 seconds, so if you were in a radio of 20 meters (60 feet) you'll only be thrown at a very high speed, receiving damage by the impact, but yes, I'm going to weaken Black Sun to an attack that causes MASSIVE damage and permanent and accumulative defense down, and will cause a drop of a very special item. | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:38 pm | |
| - Quote :
- every atom of the things that touch the orb will be destroyed turning them to pure energy, disintegrating whatever touches the orb
The way that reads it's lethal within 0.0000001 seconds... That's just way too powerful... I cannot and will not approve that. Eben the most powerful of creatures in MH aren't capable of that if you magnified their power 100x over. | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:45 pm | |
| calm down, I'm trying to make all changes necessary to satisfy you. I will edit it. | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:26 pm | |
| I'm not freaking out or anything it's just wow that is incredibly destructive... Say this creature uses it 1 time a each for it's lifespan... Add in it being an elder dragon and just that means that a huge portion of the earth would be gone. We're talking enough to even affect earths gravity ETC... | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:37 am | |
| No man lol, it only affects things in a radio of 50 meters (150 feet i think) and things that really suffer damage are the ones in a range of 15 meters (45 feet i think), the rest only receives the damage of the impact against the floor, or a wall, or a fall down a cliff if there's one... there's no more disintegrating, so this guy is very powerful yeah, but not enough to cause an alteration to the orbit of the earth. | |
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Mehaha Admin
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| Subject: Re: The Finisher Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:21 pm | |
| You can drop it's charge time to a MUCH LOWER number... 25 is really high unless you want that number... | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:49 pm | |
| ok, 15 would be ok?, or maybe 10?, you choose. | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:33 pm | |
| 10 I guess... To equal the Bringer... | |
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Abel X Admin
Posts : 349 Join date : 2011-02-09 Age : 30 Location : Spain, in Costa Del Sol
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:06 pm | |
| Ok, then if chaotic orb and blacksun collided, both would be neutralized. | |
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Mehaha Admin
Posts : 765 Join date : 2010-04-23
| Subject: Re: The Finisher Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:21 pm | |
| Mhmmm... I would assume as much...
Approved... | |
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